Comments on: Guidelines and User Testing – Let’s Talk About Food Instead! http://www.rnib.org.uk/wacblog/general/guidelines-and-user-testing-%e2%80%93-lets-talk-about-food-instead/ Thu, 4 Dec 2008 20:54:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Andrew http://www.rnib.org.uk/wacblog/general/guidelines-and-user-testing-%e2%80%93-lets-talk-about-food-instead/#comment-88193 Andrew Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:02:29 +0000 http://www.rnib.org.uk/wacblog/?p=200#comment-88193 @sailor - I'd certainly agree with you on this one. There are situations when guidelines and standards have to be applied in a pragmatic way which sometimes means not always following them to the letter if doing so may cause more harm than good in the real world. @patrick h. lauke - thanks for that useful comment. You're right - the actual WCAG 2.0 guidelines are focussed more on testable outcomes (mini-tasting tips as you say) than WCAG 1.0 which should certainly help developers to apply the guidelines in the real world. Would you say that the supporting documents for WCAG 2.0, namely the <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/" rel="nofollow">Understanding WCAG 2.0</a> and <a href="http://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG20/quickref/" rel="nofollow">How to Meet WCAG 2.0</a> documents are more like the cook books and recipes? @sailor - I’d certainly agree with you on this one. There are situations when guidelines and standards have to be applied in a pragmatic way which sometimes means not always following them to the letter if doing so may cause more harm than good in the real world.

@patrick h. lauke - thanks for that useful comment. You’re right - the actual WCAG 2.0 guidelines are focussed more on testable outcomes (mini-tasting tips as you say) than WCAG 1.0 which should certainly help developers to apply the guidelines in the real world.

Would you say that the supporting documents for WCAG 2.0, namely the Understanding WCAG 2.0 and How to Meet WCAG 2.0 documents are more like the cook books and recipes?

]]> By: patrick h. lauke http://www.rnib.org.uk/wacblog/general/guidelines-and-user-testing-%e2%80%93-lets-talk-about-food-instead/#comment-85635 patrick h. lauke Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:31:54 +0000 http://www.rnib.org.uk/wacblog/?p=200#comment-85635 to muddy the analogy a little bit, WCAG 2.0 - with its focus on outcomes (normative success criteria), rather than techniques (which are purely informative) - is not necessarily a cookbook that tells you *how* to do things. it tells you at each step what you should have achieved - mini-tasting tips, if you will. does that make sense? to muddy the analogy a little bit, WCAG 2.0 - with its focus on outcomes (normative success criteria), rather than techniques (which are purely informative) - is not necessarily a cookbook that tells you *how* to do things. it tells you at each step what you should have achieved - mini-tasting tips, if you will. does that make sense?

]]> By: sailor http://www.rnib.org.uk/wacblog/general/guidelines-and-user-testing-%e2%80%93-lets-talk-about-food-instead/#comment-85409 sailor Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:09:04 +0000 http://www.rnib.org.uk/wacblog/?p=200#comment-85409 We cannot keep strictly to the standards in all situations. We cannot always find or identify all the problems with user testing neither. Sometimes it can all come down to pure luck. Some developers just manage to get it right more times than others and I suppose this is what distinguishes the great developers from their peers.As long as we all keep on striving to get those sites as usable by as many as possible, I do not suppose that we can be all that wrong.. We cannot keep strictly to the standards in all situations. We cannot always find or identify all the problems with user testing neither. Sometimes it can all come down to pure luck. Some developers just manage to get it right more times than others and I suppose this is what distinguishes the great developers from their peers.As long as we all keep on striving to get those sites as usable by as many as possible, I do not suppose that we can be all that wrong..

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